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to evaluate professional qualifications themselves, and

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would seek advice from lawyers. But, of course, a more

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sensible thing to do is provide for lawyers' professional

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evaluation right within the commission, and that is why

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every commission that I know of does have lawyers in it,

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but there is a distinction between the lawyer's view-

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point and the judge's viewpoint. Not every person who

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is a good lawyer would make a good judge. And actually,

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nobody who has not really sat behind the bench in the

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judge's position is fully able to comprehend what is

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involved here. And so I would hold out for at least

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one judge on that commission.

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MR. CORY: Do the laymen that are chosen on

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these nominating commissions generally cone from the

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political type or are they civic leaders or are they the

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type of person that would understand what is needed in

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the selection of a judge?

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MR. WINTERS: They have tended to be what you

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call the civic leader type.

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THE CHAIRMAN: They are appointed by the

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governor?