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recommended scheme in your opinion?

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MR. WINTERS: There are considerable varia-

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tions among those. In Missouri they are equally divided

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between lawyers and laymen, with a judge as chairman.

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For the appellate court it is three and three. And for

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the trial courts, two and two. In that Denver County

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Court situation, there is a majority of laymen.

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MRS. BOTHE: As far as the inclusion of a

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judge, that seems to be quite a controversial question,

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whether a judge would be an undue influence.

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MR. WINTERS: Well, I heard that debated.

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In my opinion, it is desirable to have at least one

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judge in on that, to begin with. It is desirable to

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have laymen, because if it is all lawyers or all lawyers

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and judges, there may be a tendency to overemphasize the

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technical qualifications of this person, to favor what

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they call the lawyer's lawyer. And the laymen on the

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commission will tend to provide a broader evaluation

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of his qualifications. An all-laymen commission, I have

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often thought might work out very well, because if they

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were the right kind of people, they would not attempt