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and members of the Commission, I can see no reason, and

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I mean this most sincerely, that the ivory towers of the

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University of Maryland should be any more sacred or any

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more autonomous than those of Dr. Bard's institution or

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other State institutions not mentioned here, and I including

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the State Department of Education and the State Board.

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Now, Dr. Zimmerman would not say this, but I

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will. When you get into this matter of the budget of the

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State Department of Education, why doesn't it have some

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of the automatic protection that the State program has?

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And I will use a very specific example -- and, Dave,

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don't be embarrassed here, but the point has arrived

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where the constant cutting of the Sta'te Department of

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Education in salaries, where the salaries of the people

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there are determined not by the State Board of Education,

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in effect, but by the State Employment Commissioner and

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it is impossible for them to go out and hire people that

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they would choose to hire under the best school systems

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of the State. You see, they have to in a sense take the

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second choice sometimes.

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Now, should this be? Does this contribute to