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universities, in the state college case and the junior

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college, I think this is a little different. The

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opportunity to govern tends to get over to the city and

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county there.

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I would only say this one thing, and I hope

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you would shoot it at me any way you wish, Dr. Bard,

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because you know I have a very high opinion of your

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leadership in the total effort. I believe generally

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speaking this kind of autonomy leads to efficiency in

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any institution, if you have responsible leadership. 1

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believe that when it is given to an institution, it

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takes a good period of pretty careful leadership to

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actually do all of the things that are involved in fully

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utilizing it. I have some feeling that any move toward

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this type of constitutional autonomy for the university

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would inevitably lead to much more legislative autonomy

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for other units and there may be something in the evolu-

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tion nature which we have now lived under legislative

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autonomy in the past ten or twelve years that might place

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us in an unusual position to actually utilize this

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constitutional authority.