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the fourth estate is there in small numbers and, of course,

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if they are reporting on two houses, they are going to have

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that much more trouble reporting than in one house. I

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think this is the basic argument.

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MR. SCANLAN: Yes, the press. I know we have a

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unicameral council in Montgomery County and the atmosphere

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is fairly thick with lobbyist influence. That wasn't so

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in the previous council. It depends, I think, in a good

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measure on the men involved.

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I don't know whether the organizational struc-

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ture either makes or mars the influence lobbyists exert

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on individual legislators. That depends on the quality

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of the person and how closely the electorate police them.

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MRS. FREEDLANDER: Mr. Chairman, does it also

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depend on the quality of the law that you have regarding

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lobbyists, whether or not you require them to register and

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keep a record of who is supporting them, who is financing

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them and the states --

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MR. SCANLAN: Conflict of interest legislation.

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MRS. FREEDLANDER: You flush them out in the

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process of the enforcement of a good law rather than by