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1	MR. SACHS: Mr. Raver, I don't want to belabor
2	this at all. I just want the record to reflect the full-
3	est of your opinion, and I think it is important to draw
4	that out. We discussed, when you had your meeting with
5	Mr. Case the other day, at your request, to bring these
6	matters to the attention of the Committee, and pursuant to
7	that, this meeting was held, but we called to your atten-
8	tion the testimony of Dr. Sensenbaugh and Mr. Perkins,
9	who is the gentleman in Mr. Raine's office who reviews
10	the budget estimates of the Department of Education, and
11	I think it was clear, I don't want to fill up the record
12	twice with the same material, but at Pages, roughly 207 to
13	211 or 212 of the transcript of June 9, at our Committee
14	meeting at the Law School, it was pretty apparent to us
15	that both Mr. Perkins and Mr. Sensenbaugh did state that
16	on this very question of pupils, for example, which was
17	the illustration given to them, there was, whether you
18	want to call it negotiation or discussion or compromise
19	or whatever, if the governor, namely, the State official,
20	felt that the figures originally submitted by the educa-
21	tion people were too high, it was discussed and very often