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schools of New Hampshire from the lot-
tery revenue $1,850,000.
I do not think it has worked in New
Hampshire, I do not think it will work in
Maryland and I urge you to uphold the
committee recommendation.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Dukes.
DELEGATE DUKES: Mr. Chairman, I
will reserve two minutes for myself and
yield the rest of my time.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Sherbow.,
do you have anyone else to whom you do-
sire to yield?
DELEGATE SHERBOW: No, Mr.
Chairman.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Dukes.
DELEGATE DUKES: I believe that if
the Committee does not retreat, someone
in this body will offer an amendment which
will weasel down the present proposal so
we can protect the churches, and all the
people back home who may not like to vote
for the present proposals. I suggest to you
if such an amendment comes along, it is
not better than what we have. That which
we have before us now is at least a clear-
cut issue. Judge Sherbow stood on his feet
and said he was against lotteries and he
came out and proposed a bar on not only
state lotteries and political subdivision lot-
teries, but all lotteries. If he said all gam-
bling, I would probably support it myself.
I suggest to you, however, that if an
amendment comes along that restricts this
back to the State and political subdivisions,
we then have a situation where we do not
know what lotteries are. It might bo bingo.
Therefore, because some of our friends use
bingo, we better protect the users of bingo.
I submit to you purely and simply, Dele-
gate Scanlan framed the issue. This is a
matter that does not belong in the consti-
tution. To weasel all around to protect the
people back home, none of these is fit for
the type of work this Convention has been
doing.
I urge you to vote against the Commit-
tee Recommendation.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Sherbow.
DELEGATE SHERBOW: Do I have any
time left?
THE CHAIRMAN: You have three and
a half minutes.
DELEGATE SHERBOW: I shall try
not to duplicate what has been said but
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inevitably I think I must. I simply ask you
to take these items into consideration.
When a governor of one of the New Eng-
land states says that repeal of this lottery
ban will open up the possibility not only
of a state-run lottery, but lotteries con-
ducted by local government and private
operators, that he considers it as being
worse than the existing Constitution and
urges the Constitutional Convention not to
submit it to the people for fear it would be
overwhelmingly defeated, this should be a
matter for you to consider.
With respect to the opinion as to what
is lottery and whether bingo is included, 1
do not have anything in the way of a legal
opinion for you except the opinion of
Judge Sachs in the Circuit Court of Anne
Arundel County who in a lengthy opinion
ruled bingo is not lottery.
1 do not have anything for you except
the opinion of Judge Evans, Matthew
Evans, who in a lengthy opinion in the
Circuit Court of Anne Arundel County,
ruled bingo is not lottery.
What I am saying to you is that the
issues hero are very simple. 1 urge you, I
urge you as seriously as I know how, that
this is one of the issues of transcendent
importance to you and that you support, I
urge you, the report of the Committee. It
is the right decision, I believe, to make.
THE CHAIRMAN: Under the debate
schedule, there is time available for un-
trolled but limited debate and this would
also be the appropriate time for any
amendments. In order to decide whether to
continue now and take a vote before recess,
the Chair would like to inquire whether
there are any other delegates who would
like to speak on this question, one side or
the other. Just stand up if there are.
Very well. There is thirty minutes time
allowed. And I do not think we should at-
tempt to do that before the dinner recess.
I think I should make this announcement
to you, however. I understand that there
is at least one and perhaps there are two
or maybe more amendments which may be
offered. The chair has been asked whether
it would be possible to submit the present
recommendation to a vote and if the vote
was against the recommendation, that is,
as to a disapproval, would it then be pos-
sible to submit an amendment? The Chair
has indicated that under the rules under
which the Committee of the Whole is op-
erating, this would not be possible. But the
same end could be achieved, if the commit-
tee wanted to, by proceeding to take a vote
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