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DR. KUHN: I'm a little confused at this

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point and, like Dr. Pullen, with a gentleman like Mr.

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Eney around, I'm not going to pose as a lawyer, but I

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wonder if this isn't basically talking about free speech?

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Doesn't this cover it in the broader sense, whether it's

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in the --

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MRS. FREEDLANDER: We generally think of the

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Bill of Rights as protecting an individual.

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DR. KUHN: I see what you mean; an institution

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versus an individual.

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MRS. FREEDLANDER: Or the government, as far

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as the United States Bill of Rights protects you against

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government interference.

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DR. KUHN: I can only say this. Anything of

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this type which tends to insure the continuing freedom

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of the institution would be helpful. It's been amazing

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to me living in the midst of — my work has often been

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with the physical and fiscal aspects of the growth of

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the university. This is where you attempt to get con-

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trol. Seldom any more will there be a real assault on

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academic freedom and, if it comes, you can usually get