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1	function is -- he is a fighter, he argues because his
2	instructions are to cut the budget down, and that produces
3	fights and, therefore, people whose budgets he trims are
4	personally antagonistic to him because of the quarrels
5	they have had, and the only way that I could once or twice
6	get the budget balanced was to have personal conversation
7	with Tom Pullen, and I know one occasion that -- because
8	that's where the biggest amount of money was — I said,
9	Tom, I am in trouble. So he said, That's unfortunate,
10	any way I can help you, and that was an unfortunate thing
11	for him to say, and I was short about a million and a
12	quarter dollars, and I had given stern directions to the
13	Budget Director, and I said, Look, I am a little short, and
14	well, I said, Is there any way you can help me out, and I
15	said, Take four or five days and think it over, and he came
16	back, and he said, 1 figure I can raise, get you 750,000,
17	and I said, I am sorry, take a few more days, the deficit
18	is a million -and a quarter. He got it.
19	Now, those are the things, the kind of things
20	you have to do in order to come out without having a donny-
21	brook, sometimes you have got to handle things that way,