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So, here again, Mr. Perkins, the representa-

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tive of the Budget Bureau made it perfectly clear that

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the Governor through the Budget Bureau has this power

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to review the State Department of Education's budget

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before it is finalized.

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Now, at Page 208 is the third of the three

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parts of the transcript I wish to call to your atten-

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tion. I put an example of this to Mr. Perkins and to

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Dr. Sensenbaugh in this way:

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"The Chairman: Let me put it to you by

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example, Mr. Perkins. Suppose this $340 times the

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number of students, we will say that the number that

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Dr. Sensenbaugh comes up with is 1,450,000. I'm just

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pulling a figure out of the air, 1,450,000. Now, you

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being a conscientious budget analyst, you have looked

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into this thing and you know darn well that it is only

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going to be 1,400,000, and so you argue back and forth

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and neither will give.

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"So, finally Dr. Sensenbaugh says, well,

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the State Board is meeting tomorrow and I am going to

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present the budget to them on the basis of 1,450,000