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1	MR. RAVER: Why did I bring this in, because
2	again, Mr. Cose and I were talking, Mr. Sachs was there,
3	there was no record kept, we were kind of talking off the
4	record, and then I was invited to come here, but as I in-
5	dicated in my statement, Mr. Case felt there was a problem
6	of negotiations. My statement to him was that as long
7	as an estimate is involved in statutory requirements, and
8	there will always be — you always have to estimate the
9	number of pupils , teachers or something — as long as an
10	estimate is involved, I must, number one, agree that it is
11	subjective, and therefore it is subject to something,
12	agreement, conversation. I could not, as I got back and
13	thought it over, Dick, agree that negotiations was the
14	word , because negotiation implies you might reach an impasse
15	and then somebody decides, and if you get to that state,
16	you destroy the first statement in the first place, so
17	obviously that word, negotiations, will not go with the
18	provisions that the governor must put up the funds, so
19	this was the nearest thing. Then I learned, too, talking
20	with Dr. Zimmerman, that on at least two occasions, when
21	there was some question arose between either the governor's