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1	courage them or have no effect nt all whether you changed
2	the term from 12 to 16.
3	JUDGE PROCTOR: I think 16 or 15 as now is
4	more encouraging than the 12-year term.
5	JUDGE CLAPP: I agree with Judge Proctor.
6	MR. MARTINEAU: Do you feel that in view of
7	the noncompetitive election?
8	JUDGE CLAPP: Yes.
9	JUDGE CARTER: What is the purpose in shorten-
10	ing?
11	MR. MARTINEAU: I can't help but be surprised
12	by sitting here and listening to all the people who have
13	taken judgeships with the competitive elections. Some-
14	how, they think the judgeship would be less desirable where
15	you reduce it from 15 to 12.
16	JUDGE CLAPP: There is always many a slip, and
17	I think Judge Proctor's thought on the possibility of
18	two elections is a discouraging factor.
19	JUDGE PROCTOR: One can see the future a year
20	or two years, not in 15 or 16.
21	MR. MARTINEAU: That is why we want to have the