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to determine what the numbers in this
State for 1970 will be and put that to
work; the people of Maryland will have
every reason to be grateful for a job well
done, at least for an honest effort, not post-
poning the panacea.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does any delegate
desire to speak in favor of the amendment?
Delegate Malkus?
DELEGATE MALKUS: Mr. President,
I would like to ask the Chairman if he will
yield for a question.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Gallagher,
do you yield to a question?
DELEGATE GALLAGHER: Yes, sir.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Malkus.
DELEGATE MALKUS: How do we
know whether we are going to get an
honest estimate of what the population is
unless we know what we are talking about?
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Gallagher.
DELEGATE GALLAGHER: You are
right.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you have a fur-
ther question, Delegate Malkus?
DELEGATE MALKUS: Mr. President,
I am not willing to take the estimates, and
I am seriously concerned as to whether or
not we will be further —
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Malkus, is
this a question or are you speaking in
favor of the amendment at this time?
DELEGATE MALKUS: Mr. President,
you talk all the time.
THE CHAIRMAN : I am asking—
DELEGATE MALKUS: You always cut
me off without —
THE CHAIRMAN : I am not cutting you
off. I am merely trying to find out if you
are speaking to the amendment.
If so, you may do so.
DELEGATE MALKUS: Mr. President,
you run the show any way you want to.
You go right ahead.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you desire to
speak, Delegate Malkus?
DELEGATE MALKUS: Mr. President,
it would not do any good. You go ahead
and run it anyway you want to.
THE CHAIRMAN: Very well, Delegate
Malkus.
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Does any other delegate desire to speak
in favor of the amendment?
Delegate Storm.
DELEGATE STORM: Mr. Chairman, I
rise on a point of personal privilege.
THE CHAIRMAN : State your privilege.
DELEGATE STORM: I believe in the
gallery above your head I see some Irish
eyes smiling and I wonder if the father
would recognize them. I do not know who it
is, perhaps it is Delegate Scanlan but I
would like them recognized.
DELEGATE SCANLAN: Thank you,
Delegate Storm. I cannot disown them.
(Applause.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Does any other dele-
gate desire to speak in favor of the amend-
ment?
Delegate Hickman.
DELEGATE HICKMAN: Mr. Chair-
man, I just cannot conceive of tying into
the constitution a guesstimate for 1970,
and every twenty years thereafter. It
seems to me that the people in here have
said that the last General Assembly was
the best we had, and I do not think we are
going to do that much harm to the State
of Maryland.
Now, Delegate Gallagher has said that
the Planning Commission could give a
fairly good estimate as far as the people
in the urban areas are concerned. My ques-
tion is, what about the people in the rural
areas?
THE CHAIRMAN : Is this a question to
Delegate Gallagher?
DELEGATE HICKMAN: No. But I will
yield if he desires to ask one.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you desire to
ask a question?
DELEGATE GALLAGHER: I will an-
swer that rhetorical question, if I may. The
information we have is in the urban areas
which consist of about 85 percent of the
population of the State; they can give us
the population on a census track basis. For
the other 15 percent area of the State they
can give it to us on a subdivision basis, so
it is fairly accurate.
THE CHAIRMAN: Delegate Hickman.
DELEGATE HICKMAN: With the 15
percent you are talking about, it would be
more or less of an estimate basis?
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