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ministrative sense, it has its pleasant surprises too. My relationships
with the Legislature have been so much better than I had anticipated.
It shaped up to be pretty much what I expected.

Q. You, as I said in the introduction, you're at a disadvantage as a
Republican governor with a Democratic Legislature. Do you find
you're developing a rapport with them?

A. Yes, I was very fortunate because I came in with a reapportioned
General Assembly, and I came in under a situation where they were
just as cognizant as I that we had to mutually achieve a record that
was a good record for the State. Therefore, we started off well to-
gether and this allowed us to cultivate good warm interpersonal rela-
tionships which are carrying us through and which assist in avoiding
the general contention that could exist because of our party difference.

Q. I mentioned the fact that political writers are sympathetic to
governors because they face so many problems. Actually, the problems
you face are just about the same as the other 49 governors face in
many ways. What are some of the major things facing governors in
states today?

A. Well, Joe, you might be surprised to know that they aren't the
same. I had an interesting experience last year, this past year, in
Colorado Springs when I sat at the table with the Governor of New
York, Mr. Rockefeller, and the Governor of Alaska, Mr. Hickel. And
Governor Rockefeller and I were discussing the urban problems,
transit, health, the welfare problem and many other things that we
share in common, the structural problem due to urbanization. And
Wally Hickel sat there a while and listened to us and then he said,
"You know you fellows don't know what problems are. " He said, "In
Alaska we have a different type. Sometimes foreign fishing boats pene-
trate the three-mile limit and tear up our fishing nets and we have
to send our Air Force out to drop bags of yellow dye on them and
then chase them away so we'll know who the violators were. " So the
problems are different. Our problems, the ones that you are referring
to, undoubtedly are of two types.

There are structural types that come with the crowded living of
urban center development and the social types that come from the
stresses of the civil rights need to achieve the equality so long denied.
The structural problems only demand money to solve; I'm talking
about traffic congestion and impaction and poor housing, expressways
and that kind of thing. The social problems, what to do with de-
pendent children, what to do to really bring out a meaningful in-